Unions should not be ALLOWED for public employees

It’s time to outlaw public employee unions. 

Hear me out. I’m not a knee-jerk anti-union schlub.  There is a time and a place for unions.  I watched “Matewan” many times, always cheering for the union and jeering the corporate goons. My grandfather was one of the original Sit-Down strikers at G.M. in Flint, Michigan in 1936-1937.  Unions are necessary to balance the power that employers use to exploit workers.

But unions are not necessary to balance the power that the public has.  By very definition, the public is not an evil employer.  Sorry, but we aren’t. The American people are the most reasonable, generous and wonderful people in the world.  We aren’t going to make government employees work in sweat shops. We aren’t going to make government employees work for peanuts that cause them to lose the family farm and put themselves in the poor house. 

Here is how it should work, and would, but for those government unions.  If the government does not pay enough, the government will not attract enough qualified people.  Government services will deteriorate, and the people will either put up with the poor service, or clamor for the government to increase the pay in order to attract qualified people.  And if the government employees don’t like it they can find jobs in the private sector. 

That’s how it was for years.  I remember when it was called “public service” and it was considered a sacrifice to serve the public good. Now, a government job is a cushy place to get ahead, a place to land a hefty retirement plan or two. Government employees have it too easy.  You know what “retirement plan” I have? Diddly-Squat.  If I do not squirrel it away, it will not be there for me and my family later.  Why should I, who  have no special retirement plan, pay taxes to support those who work for the government? Is that “fair”? Is that just? 

I’m not being bitter.  I just do not believe that government employees should be treated better than private employees, and that is certainly their lot at present.  And I blame the unions.  The employees do not like how the citizens treat them, let them find new jobs.  Enough of us being held hostage by unions.  Outlaw governmental employees’ unions, now.

John Doe

19 responses to “Unions should not be ALLOWED for public employees

  1. My gramps was a “sit-downer” at Fischer one also. Place is long gone. The private unions have had to adjust their whole operating procedure, their members have taken pay cuts and newly hired are at a lower wage, the MARKET has decided it won’t pay non-skilled labor $28/hr. In the public union there is no market to force reductions, so these “workers” are never affected when the economy slides. Reagan was the only prez that got this, Obama is the oposite just look at the increase in “civil service” jobs.

  2. First job I ever had, they were going to make me join the union or get fired…I quit. Hell, I was pushing shopping carts out of the parking lot at $ 2.10/hr. Closest I ever came to a union job.

  3. If card check passes it will be worse. I’ve spent my whole life in Auto industry related career, sales, project management and I tell you they are just getting back to reasonable pay. Card check will crush what is left of manufacturing in this country. And those transplants gone baby.

  4. “Unions are necessary to balance the power that employers use to exploit workers.”

    Comrade! Come here and give me a big hug! There is hope for you yet!

  5. Sheldon!!!!!!!! I thought you died in some crack house in Thailand or something.

    • Hey Sheldon…

      Did yah ever sip a cool one at…
      3 Nagas By Alila, Luang Prabang…on the north border with Thailand…
      Just across the border…

      Only the best, arsehole…!

  6. ”…You know what “retirement plan” I have? Diddly-Squat. If I do not squirrel it away, it will not be there for me and my family later. Why should I, who have no special retirement plan, pay taxes to support those who work for the government? Is that “fair”? Is that just?

    JD…I’m thinkin I gotta go with part of yer tangent, here…

    Unions are definitely necessary in the wilde and wooly west of corporate greed…absolutely…!

    In govmint jobs…not so much.
    As tax payers… we pay the surrogate employers, once removed from the source of actual employment, pay almost 27% more than that same employee could realized in the private sector.

    I beginnin’ to like the cut of yer jib JD…

    Everything in moderation…JD…!

  7. John Doe – While I understand your aggravation with them, I do not think unions are the problem. Just like everyone else, government employees have the right to organize.

    Our problems have to do with We the People. Let’s consider what you said below.

    But unions are not necessary to balance the power that the public has. By very definition, the public is not an evil employer. Sorry, but we aren’t. The American people are the most reasonable, generous and wonderful people in the world. We aren’t going to make government employees work in sweat shops. We aren’t going to make government employees work for peanuts that cause them to lose the family farm and put themselves in the poor house.

    Because man is evil, the public is as evil an employer as any there is. However, the public exercises its evil will — has a different modus operandi — more subtly than the evil corporate employer.

    Consider the reason Glenn Beck and that crowd made “Restoring Honor” the theme of their rally? We have lost sight of the values that the Founders honored. We no longer take personal responsibility for our conduct as they once did.

    Why do public sector workers get paid so well? They allow candidates for public office to successfully pander for their support and to buy their votes. Unfortunately, this problem is not just confined to public employees. To win, candidates for public office must successfully pander for the majority’s vote. For all practical purposes, the voters — We the People — have been raiding our own treasury. It is because we are each robbing our neighbors that our nation is going broke.

    When it requires at least a plurality of the vote to get elected, we cannot blame our bleeding treasury just upon on unions or excess generosity. We can all see what is going on. We have made charity an “entitlement.” Even though we know someone has to pay, we insist upon “free” government services paid for by the “rich.” We each want our tax credit. It is what that other guy wants that is evil.

    Thus, our leaders pit us against each other. With our own greed they conquer us.

    Unfortunately, admitting a mistake or moral weakness offends the pride, but that is where honor begins. The honorable man or woman has the humility to admit spiritual and moral weakness. That is why the Founders all humbled themselves before God. Just as we do, they needed His help to see themselves as they are and to do what is right and necessary.
    If we want to cut the cost of government, then we each have to stop asking for handouts. If we want to overcome evil, it does no good to complain about our neighbors until we have admitted that which is wrong within ourselves.

  8. OMG…?

    ”…The honorable man or woman has the humility to admit spiritual and moral weakness. That is why the Founders all humbled themselves before God. Just as we do, they needed His help to see themselves as they are and to do what is right and necessary…

    >b>Is that you Glen…?

    • Gramps – Who would you rather vote for, that man or woman who sees you as capable of running your own life and just wants to protect your right to do so or somebody who thinks you need a handout? In practice most of us pay lip service to the first alternative and vote for the second.

      Check it out. All the Founders worshipped God and encouraged others to do the same. Did they all have the same ideas about religion? No, but that is why our government admits Freedom of Religion as a right. If we want to live as we believe God would have us live, then we must allow others the same privilege.

      Think about the American Revolution. The first Americans fought a government that wanted to tax them and spend their money without their permission. The Boston Tea Party was about a tax on tea, a trifle in comparison to what we pay today. Anybody who thinks what we pay in taxes is necessary is delusional. Yet everyone is afraid to change. We won’t give up the handouts. So we are stuck with outrageous taxes.

      • Same goes fer you CT…!

        I’ve been payin’ in for 56 years now…ever since I was 16.
        Since I’m still “werkin” and I’m still payin’ CT…
        Hells bells, CT…yah might say I’m payin’ my ownself to “werk”…

        Or perhaps so as you’ll have somethin’ CT when you start sippin’ Margaritas…in twenty years…

        Hehehe…!

        • Sounds more like you just don’t want to pay your taxes, gramps. Not all of our tax dollars go to government-run “handouts”. Without our taxes, public works/infrastructure would essentially grind to a halt. While corporate america DOES produce most of the free market wealth in this country, while our overreaching government just spends it–entitlement checks are our largest expenditure. This pervasive elitist sense of “I’m entitled to social/socialist security and health care, but most of the rest of you don’t deserve it, has got to stop. Its an abjuct double standard that elderly conservatives like you, who claim to hate socialsm, but don’t seem to have any problem with the amount of money the government spends on YOU!

  9. Don’t worry Gramps, you’re good. They won’t cut off the “social security” you so desperately depend on. Unlike some of us, who have paid into it for 30 years and won’t see a dime of it because it will be broke, bankrupt, kaput.

    Mike

  10. By golly, gosh and gee, Mike…

    I’ve been payin’ in for 56 years now…ever since I was 16.
    Since I’m still “werkin” and I’m still payin’ Mike…
    Hells bells, Mike…yah might say I’m payin’ my ownself to “werk”…

    Or perhaps so as you’ll have somethin’ when you start sippin’ Margaritas…in twenty years…

    Hehehe…!

  11. YES!!!!

    Congress must outlaw and abolish all Federal employee unions. THe immediate firing of at least 25% of government payroll hacks will also be a step in the right direction. Expect to see the financially hard pressed individual states to start off giving the axe to the subversively criminal unions

    With an impending financial collapse, there will be drastic measures needed for survival of the American Republic.

  12. Now to respond to the question on federal labor unions: They are unnecessary, however, if there weren’t any private sector labor unions, you can bet that many people would not (and are not) earning a livable wage as many of you are opposed to minimum wage laws, as well. Not that many small businesses would go financially insolvent, just because its employees made an extra dollar an hour. There are both good and bad points about labor unions. Its a myth to suggest that many corporations have moved off shore, just because of labor unions, as sometimes they downsize even during times of economic prosperity. They are hoarding more cash then ever. The income gap between the top 2% of americans who possess half of the wealth in this country, and the rest of us is greater than it has ever been. Both “trickle down” wealth, and “trickle up” poverty are myths. Not everything about capitalism is good, and conversely, not everything about socialism is bad! No doubt, capitalism is by far the better system, when it is not abused.

    • robert heintze | December 6, 2010 at 1:45 pm wrote: “Not everything about capitalism is good, and conversely, not everything about socialism is bad! No doubt, capitalism is by far the better system, when it is not abused.”

      Trouble is Robert…
      “The costs for the payroll tax holidays, UI and other refundable credits come in at roughly $215 billion over two years. The extensions of the income tax rates, strictly for the wealthy is estimated to cost about $95 billion! What a total waste…!

      All of it is unpaid for.” Unfunded freebees for those that can actually, afford it come to more than 30% of the total package…!

      All the while in exchange for $95 billion in cuts for those “rich bitches” who wouldn’t even, notice the difference…[!]”

      [The] Republicans agreed to extend unemployment insurance for an additional 13 months, to offer a two-percent employee side payroll tax credit (at a cost of about $120 billion), and $40 billion in tax breaks for families and students (including a $1,000 child tax credit extended for two years and an expansion of the earned income tax credit)

      Remind me to vote for anyone, absolutely anyone, except a sorry, arse, Republican, politician, in 2010…!

      Thirteen months for the middle class and two damn, whole, years for the sorry “rich bitches”, that don’t need it…!

      I call that “abuse”…!

  13. Reverend Johnny

    “You know what “retirement plan” I have? Diddly-Squat. ”

    Maybe if you had a good union, they could have helped you out with that. I love my union and my retirement plan they negotiated with my employer.

  14. I’m happy for you, Johnny. But when the company fails because you union goons caused the cost of labor to skyrocket, don’t come whining to the taxpayers to bail out your underfunded (or down right robbed by the union bosses) pension plan, is all I’m saying. And if you are public employee, don’t come whining to the taxpayers when your state or municipality goes belly up. Leeches.

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